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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh my it's

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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with Errol experts in this world and

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others here's your host paranormal

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researcher Patricia Baker on the one the

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welcome everyone to another exciting

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episode of Supernatural girls radio I'm

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your host Patricia Baker I am here with

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my co-host all the way from Tucson

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Patricia Kirkman pique how are you

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tonight absolutely fabulous and so

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anxious to get into our show tonight oh

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my god you know we are lucky ladies I

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got us s we are so lucky because we have

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Edie Becker from a true haunting that's

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gonna he's gonna join us in just a few

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minutes now as you know we had Nick

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Redfern scheduled for tonight but poor

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Nick he got sick and he got really sick

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sick to the point where he lost his

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voice so we had to change our venue

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around and I called Edie today and Ed

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was kind enough to say I'll come on the

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show and I gotta tell you I love it

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because I get we're gonna get into this

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before I introduce him and after our

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numerology segment we had quite an

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adventure with Edie on our last show

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which was several years ago when his

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first book came out now he's got two

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books right true haunting and a true

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haunting - but when his first book came

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out Helene and I were doing the show on

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vlog talk and we're gonna get into that

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and share with everybody exactly what

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happened before we bring it on because

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it was really creepy so anyway the

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spooky October the supernatural girls

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this week and so PK let's start off with

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the numerology we got a lot of crazy

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stuff going on so tell us what's

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happening well first off as we've talked

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about in the past this month is a

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preview of next year and God folks it

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has between the weather issues the fires

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and the deviates that are out there and

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about which we're going to talk about

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mr. Weinstein hmm all of these things

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that are going on don't forget this is a

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preview of what's coming we are not out

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of the woods weather-wise we're going to

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have major issues throughout this coming

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year but as far as people in the news

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we're going to see more and more

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negative

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he bounced up and hopefully by the years

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and we can clear the deck and get some

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of these crazy people off the list and

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out of the way good but Harvey Weinstein

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you asked me to take a look at him well

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he was fired on a nine day which says

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ending and wrapping up of old things

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that he can't fix

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he's also he he has so much karma within

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his chart but he's got an arrogance that

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is absolutely unbelievable in his chart

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he is very he doesn't have a big ego

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from his standpoint really how he how he

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projects himself but he thinks he can

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say and do anything and get away with it

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that's the difference Wow oh yeah

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anything to do with change and changes

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he wants his way and he thinks it's only

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done his way most of his chart is about

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me by and I so taking a look at things

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hey he was fired on a one out of nine

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day in a month that represents this

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coming year so is coming here it's a six

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year and he has six 5s in his chart so

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he loves change and he likes to do it

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his way but he's always trying to set up

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what he considers perfection it just got

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cut in half because it's not coming that

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way anymore it's been a long time coming

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but the best part about all this is that

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there's changes that are taking place

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are not going to allow him to get away

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with anything anymore and we talked

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earlier about his brother as well this

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these are two bad boys Wow

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they're they're really not mentally well

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if you take a look at their attitude

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very clever at what it how they do what

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don't question about that but a strange

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part neither one of them are good

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communicators

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there are demanders they are you know

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person once it has to communicate they

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have to cut it soft the edges neither

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one of these people they don't care they

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just go for the throat they're not the

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least bit caring about making it

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for anybody else it's all about them and

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be a nasty thing before it's over

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because we're going to see it tie up not

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only with Harvey but what he and Robert

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have built shall we say as a backdrop

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for the bad side and the negative side

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of Hollywood all of a sudden these

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people are going to start to get sick

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and tired of being sick and tired

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because most of them and I shouldn't say

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all of them but a good portion had been

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caught with their hand in the cookie jar

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and now they either have to play it

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straight or get out from out out of the

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line of fire because these people are

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gonna bring a lot of them down with them

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I bet and you know it's about time oh

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god yes when you hear you know the tape

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recording of the New York City sting and

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how he was talking to that model and oh

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my god it was just horrible and the more

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serious crimes that he's been accused of

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also but going beyond that Hollywood in

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general is long been rumored to harbor

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an entire pedophile Network it was this

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has been going on but he would not name

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names because he said if I do that

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they'll either destroy my career or kill

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me or both and so it's something that

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so it's not just women oh no no right

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now you know kudos to Rose McGowan and

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the other women that have come to the

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forefront and risked everything to

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expose this going to be more and more

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that into a male actor this morning he

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said as a youngster he was you know put

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into a position where the producer came

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out in his robe and expected him to take

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care of him this is ridiculous and who

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would that hell do they think they are

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that's right who do they think they are

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embarrassed themselves in so many

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different ways yeah over the last year

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and we've all come to see them for what

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they really are and I think this whole

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celebrity worship saying is going to

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come down around them around their

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ankles so well know that better than

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right just but I think if we pay

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attention with what's coming up this

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year we're going to see a lot of people

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fall from grace welcome miss line pique

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it's only just begun it has well very

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interesting with the numbers thank you

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for taking a look at all of that for us

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and on our website and on our Facebook

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page we've got some interesting stories

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don't we we've got a story about

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mermaids you should everybody should

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take a look at and Yellowstone's been

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who knows what's coming next with

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there's we got a long road to go with

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that but Yellowstone has logged in more

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earthquakes minor earthquakes there's

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still so many more than ever before in

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in recorded history so there's something

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happening all across the world with

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earthquakes but in Yellowstone

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especially that's on our Facebook page

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everybody so go to our Facebook page

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posting more and more stories for you we

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do that every week so take a look there

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now I'm I gotta tell you and I mentioned

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this earlier but when Halim is alive we

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network and during the show and in

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Marcia were terrific yes they were able

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to tell us this incredible story it

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scared the crap out of us it was really

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really great story but during the

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gonna go talk to ed and Marsha and I'm

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just gonna tell them somebody's

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breathing like really closely and their

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microphone and they need to move the mic

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away from their mouths so that we don't

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hear this heavy breathing and it was

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very noticeable I mean it was very loud

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into the private room with them and

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tells them you know who's got the mic

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you got to move it away and add in

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Marcia very politely totaling it's not

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us we are not doing it a breathing here

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into the microphone or microphone is far

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away and it's not us but this happens

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when we go on shows there's this entity

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and we swear to god it isn't us so again

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that was that was what I mean ooh we had

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visitors on this show and then following

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and Marcia around now as you know Helene

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was great vanishing things that didn't

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belong so she just little banishment and

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it stopped but I can't promise that I

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can do the same we may just have to

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listen to it if the breather comes to

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the show so we're gonna see what happens

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of electronic glitches which I never had

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I said I think it's from your your

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followers you've got this little band of

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followers I think they came to pay me a

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visit today so anyways we are so blessed

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we are so lucky to have ad on the show

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tonight I'm going to tell you a little

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bit more about him he has the

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distinction of owning a haunted building

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in Chicago that became the subject of

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the first televised paranormal event in

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1970 by NBC long before the Exorcist

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long before the Amityville Horror there

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was true

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haunting he never sought recognition

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until his daughter published his

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recollections and and 2011 says so but

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the book true haunting became an instant

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bestseller holding number one on Amazon

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us for a year in parapsychology and for

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six months in the United Kingdom

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breaking his publishers e-book record

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and topping the sales of their 96,000

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book catalogue it holds the most

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five-star reviews of any true ghost

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story in Kindle history

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and has appeared on Syfy's paranormal

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witness and I'm gonna tell everybody if

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you haven't seen the tenants the name of

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the segment on paranormal witness you

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gotta check it out it's on YouTube it's

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fabulous it is it is incredible and it's

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one of their highest-rated shows also

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and anyways this is this is a great

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guest that we're so lucky to have on

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with us tonight I want to urge everybody

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to get both of his books true hunting

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and true hunting too so ed welcome to

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the show okay you said yeah right you

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can hear you just fine

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and now you've had it's a great book

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is it great but both of them are great

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books and we read the second one today

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you have had an experience and a half

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with this haunted building and it hasn't

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left you I mean this is something that

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literally has followed you around yeah I

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mean we were a few other radio programs

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I did a lot of actually between 2012 and

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2014 and we had a couple of them where

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they heard EVPs and then the chatroom

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started interpreting what the EVPs were

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saying while mercenaire we're at so

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things follow us said it's the reason I

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warn people I get a lot of mail and

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people want to get involved in the

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paranormal and I tell them don't open

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that door because you're gonna encounter

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something that you have no idea where

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its intentions are you certainly have no

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control over it and if its intentions

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are bad you're going to stop and I've

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got a laundry list of people that I've

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seen really suffer in the last five

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years personally I only changes and all

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kinds of things go start of law yeah

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we're you're messing with something that

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you can't control and you can't see it

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so you know when I talk to these

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investigators it's a lot of times I

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laugh because I'm gonna go catch a go

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all right it's easy to be brave when you

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can't see it you know if they really saw

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what's on the other side of their realm

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I don't think that they'd want to go

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hunting for it myself

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I think you're right they probably want

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to run screaming into the night it's

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unpleasant and a lot of the things you

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went through and your wife went through

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and your tenants went through which is

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the focus of the second book is what

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your tenants went through it's it's

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really pretty horrific and you were a

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non-believer when all this started right

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oh yeah absolutely and when I look back

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at my whole experience I was pretty

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ignorant even when I just become a

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believer I became a believer that there

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was paranormal something was happening

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but I had no idea of the power and what

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these things can do to you I mean I got

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a letter today from a woman and actually

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stopped the Africa and she asked me if I

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was ever totally afraid and I told her I

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I was too stupid

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I I had no respect for their realm and

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sine thorns and now I'd never really

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afraid I I wouldn't go back there today

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I mean I've been offered money and

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offered a lot of things that go back and

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visit and not because the building was

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under foreclosure for a while so it was

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quite open to the public I wouldn't go

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back there never handing in law that

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pretium out you know I came out of it I

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don't think I'm totally unscathed but

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yeah I came out of it with affection I

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can live with now the movie that was

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done or the television show I should say

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that was done by paranormal witness was

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excellent and one of the this the shots

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had really had me holding my breath was

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when your wife was in the kitchen and

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all of a sudden the baby stroller starts

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heading towards the basement stairs

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did that really happen because I didn't

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know if that was dramatised but it

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really was scary they did dramatize that

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I mean at they dramatized everything but

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that really did help and it forced me to

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there was no door on their downstairs

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basement because the woman who lived

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there previously would go back and forth

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with her will so that day I up where do

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I put the door down the basement I want

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the door up put it on there and put a

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clasp on there so they could close it

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that didn't happen that was very

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frightening I mean you see the your

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little baby in that stroller and

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something unseen pushing it quickly I

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mean fast towards that door which would

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have sent your baby flying down the

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stairs oh my god that was a really

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frightening moment watching that there

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were so many things that happens the

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reason that there's a true morning -

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because when I mean damn damn wife who's

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in my book we hadn't talked to each

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other in for almost 45 years and when he

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left if you read true anyone they left

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in him they went on to their life as far

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as we knew that's right right well when

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I was filming paranormal witness I asked

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the director could he come down and give

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some footage I'm there

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so they said yeah so Dan came down from

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Illinois Upper Illinois and he started

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to tell me I mean the first thing he

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said to me was he bought my book he read

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it and he said just some of the same

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things happened to him which I didn't

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really know about and then he said their

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dead house ruined my life and I said how

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did Daniel figure and he said I guess

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his wife hadn't lived there 90 days to

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stuff I didn't know but before they

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lived there three months she already

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wanted out and she even left and going

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to her mother's for a month or so by the

391
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end of it they wound up separating

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getting a divorce and he was invited

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she lives at the other Wow she took it

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she took his firstborn and he's never

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seen his firstborn for him oh my gosh

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yeah

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so and he and he started telling me

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about their experience I was

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flabbergasted you know usually when a

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writer writes the book it's nonfiction

401
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you fear the fact you through the met

402
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that someone's gonna pop off and say oh

403
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that's not true it didn't happen anyway

404
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and I had the exact opposite happened

405
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I mean dad gave me such a he didn't want

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to walk he won't call radio he doesn't

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like to go public but he gave me pages

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and pages and pages of his recollections

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and I had a choice to make whether I

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should redo to my mom or created - honey

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- and by the time I decided to write

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through line - either in soul

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I don't thirty to forty thousand copies

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of true haunting so I figured it

415
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wouldn't be fair these people to ask

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them to buy it again and it sang so I

417
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wrote true on him - and there's enough

418
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in there to fill it because honest to

419
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god I never did take marcia into account

420
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I mean I talked about her and through

421
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pointing one but as a as a young man

422
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with a big ego and facing something that

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I could not do anything about I wouldn't

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come home and say how is your day I

425
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already knew Howard day was not my

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hearing so you know she had her

427
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recollections and there were quite a few

428
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things in true hunting - did I learned I

429
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had forgotten there was one instance in

430
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never where she talks about how I got up

431
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and broke when to Tara

432
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I forgot I did that but I did I one of

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the things the spirit had a different

434
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effect I think I'm different people but

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I was always agitated and angry so it

436
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didn't take me much to get angry

437
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and she said I got angry I got up and if

438
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I get tired at this in a home run with

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it against the wall

440
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and that's what it did to me aside from

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you know sleep deprivation anybody who

442
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is involved in a real on it you don't

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sleep well you know it's why today I

444
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recommend to a lot of people I get a lot

445
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of letters where people have some kind

446
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of activity it's not really frightening

447
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so when it snapped write me I tell them

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leave it alone

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because one thing I know for sure that

450
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if you try to stop it it'll manifest

451
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something else which isn't the mistake I

452
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made that Camel 3 do you think that

453
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there was more than one entity in that

454
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house oh yeah there were at least uh at

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least four maybe five oh they each had

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their zones so I don't believe that I

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mean there was something really dark on

458
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the first floor when Jody Louise the

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medium went down there and came back up

460
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and said you couldn't he couldn't handle

461
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what's there he still had to go seek an

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exorcist

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I didn't even know where an actress's

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wasn't Oh Cheers so he did table

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predictions as a medium he didn't want

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to make contact with it whatever it all

467
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was now upstairs I felt that I mean

468
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Marsha took refuge in the kitchen even

469
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though there was activity of the kids

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and she never felt fear unless you'd

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crosses across the threshold into the

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rest of the house that's where the

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bathroom was and not after she had her

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bathtub instant mean she never close the

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bathroom door again and should we like

476
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see when I got home to take her be out

477
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and so we knew you know we were familiar

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absolutely with with two possibly three

479
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and Joe Joseph or at least four know the

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kitchen for your wife at least was a

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safe zone she felt safe in the kitchen

482
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yeah I made it brighter with brighter

483
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lights and then she also had the back

484
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door which went to the enclosed back

485
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porch which was false all windows Lucas

486
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she could see the outside

487
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she could actually get outside quickly

488
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you know she had a exit and she'd felt

489
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more comfortable there now that I you

490
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know when these things happen to you

491
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have exchanged you don't even notice it

492
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sometimes but she used to land the cops

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in the front room watching the soap

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operas and once we moved in the camel

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streets she never did that again I've

496
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worn a little a little tiny TV and she

497
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sat on the kitchen table and yeah she

498
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didn't want to go into the rest of the

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house

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neither did you know I can't Archy I've

501
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got chased out because originally she

502
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she picked her throne to be in the front

503
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row on a belt a chair and one night she

504
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gave one night she came out screaming

505
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and growling my tail was all extended

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and she went to our bedroom and she just

507
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never left the bedroom after there

508
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something over the get box and my

509
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exchanger yeah I was surprised what not

510
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that purnama wooden is meeting with Dan

511
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because he laughs twenty of you somebody

512
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read the book and so they lost two dogs

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and I said what was so funny about that

514
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he's well I lost mine oh my god I never

515
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knew he had a dog so I said what a jammy

516
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he'd bought an expensive Mia in less

517
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than three days oh my word and then what

518
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happened

519
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it showed the fence was gone these dogs

520
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just took off they didn't want to stay

521
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anywhere near this house yeah absolutely

522
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I mean the cat got thrown out the window

523
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twice until I actually nailed the window

524
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shut and

525
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I can't explain it because she went 24

526
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feet 25 feet down to concrete and the

527
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first time she was on skates is perfect

528
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just huddled up and afraid I picked her

529
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up abroad in the house the second time

530
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she had a little bit of blood on her

531
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girls and that's why the other the

532
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window shut so he had terrorizing hear

533
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that noise I was just gonna ask do you

534
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hear something that

535
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dog panting yes I do do you hear that uh

536
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it just stopped when PK said something

537
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listening to it I kept thinking oh it's

538
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my imagination that no it is now and and

539
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I was just gonna say it when you said it

540
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:51,320
yeah might be like dog scratching over

541
00:25:57,130 --> 00:25:53,110
just predator for throw or pillow

542
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:57,140
starlett stop it we'll see if it's

543
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,520
Skylar it's interesting we're talking

544
00:26:06,580 --> 00:26:03,440
about pets and there is a question in

545
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:06,590
the chat room about cuts Shan Derek

546
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,450
wants to know what about the pets in the

547
00:26:12,610 --> 00:26:10,880
family you know do entities affect

548
00:26:15,130 --> 00:26:12,620
animals well you certainly just answered

549
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:15,140
that question so they certainly did

550
00:26:20,290 --> 00:26:16,970
affect the pets in the family in a major

551
00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:20,300
way yeah it was

552
00:26:28,030 --> 00:26:24,590
I was rarely afraid that was too stupid

553
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:28,040
I guess but what did scare me was that

554
00:26:32,770 --> 00:26:31,070
the first dog was a part there was a

555
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:32,780
shepherd husky looked like it was part

556
00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:36,650
wolf it was that size now the etad was

557
00:26:40,420 --> 00:26:37,670
very loyal

558
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,430
so you know if I was walk in the woods

559
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:42,080
and a bear came out then dog would get

560
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:44,930
between me and a bear it was Stanley on

561
00:26:51,070 --> 00:26:48,170
that brave and the one night it came

562
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:51,080
into our bedroom came out of the dining

563
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:53,810
room would jump on the bed and it

564
00:26:59,770 --> 00:26:57,410
staring at our bedroom door and put his

565
00:27:02,380 --> 00:26:59,780
back up and throw it down like it was

566
00:27:06,130 --> 00:27:02,390
ready to attack and just growled like a

567
00:27:08,050 --> 00:27:06,140
son of a company hmm and I had to calm

568
00:27:09,670 --> 00:27:08,060
her down and I took her for a walk and

569
00:27:09,970 --> 00:27:09,680
it was the next morning that she ran

570
00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:09,980
away

571
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:14,060
oh but when I thought about that it was

572
00:27:19,150 --> 00:27:17,930
like if that dog would take on a beer or

573
00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:19,160
protect me from anything

574
00:27:25,420 --> 00:27:22,190
what the hell did she see yeah exactly

575
00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:25,430
that never scared her that much yeah

576
00:27:29,650 --> 00:27:27,320
that made her leave your property had

577
00:27:35,740 --> 00:27:29,660
never come back as loyal as she was oh

578
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,750
my gosh incredible yeah second dog but

579
00:27:42,940 --> 00:27:37,520
the second dog didn't find it what else

580
00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:42,950
is long but now you know I taught people

581
00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:46,190
and I do it here my bedroom was a

582
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:47,640
sanctuary

583
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:51,190
so it may buddy goes in there they

584
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:52,240
probably think I'm some kind of

585
00:27:59,370 --> 00:27:55,930
psychopath like I can't so I got twenty

586
00:28:02,610 --> 00:27:59,380
rosaries bedroo the same should worry

587
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:02,620
and I recommend that to everybody it's

588
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:03,820
best if they have an entity in their

589
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:08,830
house keep keep your guns locked up and

590
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:10,570
protected because that's where you sleep

591
00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:12,250
that's where you go if dreams or

592
00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:16,920
subconscious your vulnerable point yes

593
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:20,020
would you recommend they put in there

594
00:28:28,110 --> 00:28:24,880
besides Rosa reason and such I hope they

595
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:28,120
hold strong beliefs in mmm-hmm I mean I

596
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:32,890
was brought up Catholic so I I've got

597
00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:36,250
two hopeless rosaries mm-hmm I've got a

598
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:38,350
statue of the infant of Prague that was

599
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:43,090
in a church in Rome actually it's about

600
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:47,110
a hundred years old I you know I that

601
00:28:59,010 --> 00:28:51,610
power they're not supposed to be in

602
00:29:02,520 --> 00:28:59,020
there anyway except to you right you I

603
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:02,530
get a lot of emails and letters from

604
00:29:08,670 --> 00:29:07,090
people operations appearing and that's

605
00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:08,680
where they're better at their bed are

606
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:12,760
very very common and most times the

607
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,450
people don't iron afraid they seem to

608
00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:19,360
recognize who the apparition was when

609
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,560
they don't doesn't only have to come

610
00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:23,200
fright and that's my tell is sealed or

611
00:29:32,010 --> 00:29:29,670
better you know seal it all up lots of

612
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:32,020
questions for you that are coming up in

613
00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:33,520
the chat room we're gonna try to get to

614
00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:35,860
them after the break and you've

615
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,990
stimulated a lot of conversation here

616
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:39,760
people have a lot of things they want to

617
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:41,100
know about with your incredible

618
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adventure with true haunting book one in

619
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620
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621
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623
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626
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627
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628
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:11,549
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629
00:30:17,629 --> 00:30:15,360
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630
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631
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632
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634
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635
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636
00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:33,929
people too it's not just the house

637
00:30:39,619 --> 00:30:36,590
that's really had an effect on everybody

638
00:30:44,379 --> 00:30:39,629
now Camille is asking is the sequel of

639
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640
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get it on Kindle now here's an easy

641
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:53,039
question from wookie wants to know how

642
00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:57,690
many square feet was this property the

643
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,559
property or the building the building

644
00:31:07,009 --> 00:31:04,080
I'm sure they're asking it was true

645
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:07,019
stories in a basement and I'm gonna

646
00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:10,049
guess that the each floor was about it

647
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:12,600
wasn't a large it more like 800 square

648
00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:17,940
feet or something yeah okay now here's a

649
00:31:24,379 --> 00:31:21,779
question right here's a question this is

650
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:24,389
from zan darkus who wants to know was

651
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:27,539
this story picked up by any news outlets

652
00:31:39,139 --> 00:31:35,250
outside of the city no NBC here and one

653
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,149
of the tragedies yes is that because I

654
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,279
guess didn't know shoes they had

655
00:31:46,009 --> 00:31:43,440
regulations about how many times

656
00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:46,019
something could air and the company and

657
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,990
the footage from the news ran there in

658
00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:50,820
all weekend and part of the next week

659
00:31:56,539 --> 00:31:53,190
because they just kept getting demands

660
00:31:59,419 --> 00:31:56,549
and people were calling well NBC NBC

661
00:32:01,580 --> 00:31:59,429
made a 20-minute segment for a program

662
00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:01,590
that they had in that time call to the

663
00:32:05,970 --> 00:32:01,960
new

664
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:05,980
called first Tuesday their aim was to go

665
00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:09,039
after the 60 Minutes crowd a segment was

666
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:12,149
made of our experience for first Tuesday

667
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:14,470
we never got to see it she didn't play

668
00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:18,940
in Illinois and prepared on a witness

669
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:22,360
because they're owned by NBC I had

670
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:25,840
access to their archives so I wanted all

671
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:29,529
the footage if you look on the YouTube

672
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,510
video and about the minute of the half

673
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:34,080
mark you've got clearly see it ghost

674
00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:36,610
they'll come into the door and then back

675
00:32:41,399 --> 00:32:39,880
off no kidding whenever you're told

676
00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:41,409
I won't watch the footage but when a

677
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:44,590
reader told me that I knew that NBC then

678
00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:47,529
filmed there for 16 hours on two

679
00:32:53,130 --> 00:32:50,409
different days so I asked if I could get

680
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:53,140
all the footage well they said somebody

681
00:33:02,250 --> 00:32:55,000
in Chicago and they they claimed it was

682
00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:02,260
all lost oh yeah you know what can you

683
00:33:04,289 --> 00:33:02,860
do

684
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:04,299
I didn't give anything to see all

685
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:07,080
because I know that whoever in the 16

686
00:33:13,289 --> 00:33:10,380
hours would not be looking for ghosts

687
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:13,299
all right what what else was in there

688
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:20,559
that they didn't see but ya know what

689
00:33:26,190 --> 00:33:22,679
marcin i after it was over we're here

690
00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:26,200
you know unlike some people that raise a

691
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:29,830
flag and they want celebrity status and

692
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:32,529
they want to be recognized we took we

693
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:35,620
changed our name out of the phone book

694
00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:39,130
we ran for the hills we didn't want any

695
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:42,760
celebrity status it in those years

696
00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:46,330
having a haunted building was you know

697
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:48,520
it was something that could hurt you

698
00:33:53,970 --> 00:33:51,370
reputation wise I was in the computers

699
00:33:57,570 --> 00:33:53,980
so imagine a guy who works with logic in

700
00:34:03,180 --> 00:33:57,580
this most illogical and some yeah most

701
00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:03,190
illogical situation that's what kept me

702
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:06,940
in denial for so long well sure sure and

703
00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:08,530
here's a question that feeds right into

704
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,419
what you're talking about from an to do

705
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:12,879
or on who's asking do you think that the

706
00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:15,369
paranormal is considered taboo now as it

707
00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:15,790
was bad

708
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:19,990
in the 60s and 70s oh definitely not I

709
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:22,720
don't use considered taboo but I'm

710
00:34:30,419 --> 00:34:25,919
embarrassed for what it's developed into

711
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:30,429
because you talk to people even

712
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:32,830
specialists who are talking about

713
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:35,020
certain areas of paranormal and they're

714
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:38,260
all using movie references and they're

715
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:42,250
losing the using stuff from the sea on

716
00:34:51,150 --> 00:34:48,030
you know they're talking it was one

717
00:34:54,450 --> 00:34:51,160
investigators that he exercised the

718
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:54,460
Windigo on the East Coast well the only

719
00:34:59,850 --> 00:34:56,650
time when to go was use the program

720
00:35:03,120 --> 00:34:59,860
supernatural and in a book I wrote okay

721
00:35:06,990 --> 00:35:03,130
in 1995 the Windigo is nothing but a

722
00:35:11,010 --> 00:35:07,000
it's a myth a folklore for the Chippewa

723
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:11,020
Indians you know Jim Boice yes very

724
00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:13,630
little there's a very little population

725
00:35:18,810 --> 00:35:16,420
that would even use that word and but

726
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:18,820
people are ready you know their search

727
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:20,170
they find these things and they're using

728
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:24,370
them and you know if you read the true

729
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:27,760
hunting one I don't know how you won't

730
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:29,650
find the word horrified or terrified in

731
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:33,850
there I never tried to make to scare

732
00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:36,670
people because this was exactly what can

733
00:35:43,110 --> 00:35:40,420
happen to you if they will open doors

734
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:43,120
which very common they will in great

735
00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:47,200
footsteps and don't you feel that they

736
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,840
also that they feed off of the fear and

737
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:52,240
they feed off of anger because you were

738
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:53,110
finding yourself

739
00:35:57,210 --> 00:35:55,270
he said angry and irritated and it

740
00:36:03,590 --> 00:35:57,220
didn't take much for your temper to

741
00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:03,600
flare yeah I was perpetual agitation I

742
00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:06,700
don't know how subscribing I would not a

743
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:09,790
lot of it probably sleep deprivation but

744
00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:13,090
they knew you know these entities are

745
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:16,870
smart when we install the telephone I

746
00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:19,150
put it in the middle of the house now

747
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:20,590
there's a reason for that that's because

748
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:22,170
it was accessible from either side and

749
00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:25,210
folks were very expensive you had to get

750
00:36:29,490 --> 00:36:27,940
him from the phone company you know you

751
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:29,500
couldn't own a phone

752
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:33,130
their FCC license so I got the phone

753
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,810
yeah I couldn't afford to put three or

754
00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:36,640
four phones here so I think it was

755
00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:38,590
something I want to stay with like $85

756
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:41,620
at $90 attack and that's about what I

757
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:47,170
made a week so put the phone in I'd be

758
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:49,330
at work at down home number it'd be busy

759
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:52,450
now those years there was no call

760
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:55,210
waiting there was there was no automatic

761
00:37:00,480 --> 00:36:57,610
stuff at all he was all high sport

762
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,490
operators mm-hmm so if you took your

763
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:02,880
phone off the book it would make an

764
00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:07,090
sound for a short period of time until

765
00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:08,950
the switchboard operator at the Illinois

766
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:13,120
bill would just pull the plug on it I'd

767
00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:14,680
come home when I'd be yelling at Marc

768
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:16,270
sure like what the hell are you doing

769
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,850
the phone all day she said was not at

770
00:37:23,790 --> 00:37:21,040
home well I look in the front room and

771
00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:23,800
there it is laying there and that took

772
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:28,150
me through a whole bunch of rationales

773
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:30,700
and then excuses because I said okay it

774
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:33,760
must be the dog must be the cat so it

775
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:37,290
was just laying there off the hook yeah

776
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:42,130
the end but I'd come home and I'd be

777
00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:45,880
irritated and uh and of course Marcia

778
00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:48,280
was telling me she was telling me the

779
00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:50,500
truth I mean she she understood the time

780
00:37:55,290 --> 00:37:52,270
we move in there that there was

781
00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:55,300
something in the house I just basically

782
00:38:02,460 --> 00:37:58,200
gave her two Bs for it too many times

783
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:02,470
so I just didn't believe it even when

784
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:04,920
the priest who christened our daughter

785
00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:09,850
lost our house his brass dispenser for

786
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:13,000
holy water shattered not like a new

787
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:16,630
movie screen trend he just raised his

788
00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:21,130
hand and it's like crumpled and he

789
00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:23,830
immediately crossed himself got down and

790
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:25,990
started picking up pieces and became

791
00:38:29,970 --> 00:38:29,260
unglued and much too kind of knew what

792
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:29,980
that was about

793
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,510
I didn't so I was I was actually mad at

794
00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:36,240
him but he didn't finish the blessing I

795
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:39,960
forced him to bless our daughter's room

796
00:38:43,729 --> 00:38:42,100
but I think he knew what he was up

797
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:43,739
against

798
00:38:48,779 --> 00:38:46,630
and you know I don't even know if you

799
00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:48,789
know if the United States had an

800
00:38:56,279 --> 00:38:50,440
exorcist resident in the whole damn

801
00:39:01,289 --> 00:38:56,289
place in 1970 exorcism or just very very

802
00:39:03,979 --> 00:39:01,299
rare it was that nun yeah things changed

803
00:39:06,809 --> 00:39:03,989
now though and I hear that Exorcist sir

804
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:06,819
their demand is on the rise and there's

805
00:39:10,769 --> 00:39:08,410
more of them so I guess there's some

806
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:10,779
level of acceptance that this is real

807
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:14,049
and it needs to be attempted - here's a

808
00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:16,210
question again from looking who's asking

809
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:18,460
how many mediums and psychics took a

810
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:21,729
look at this place we get it two

811
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:23,410
different groups actually the first

812
00:39:30,359 --> 00:39:26,700
group I considered them to be charlatans

813
00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:30,369
although one of the women did - in the

814
00:39:35,009 --> 00:39:31,960
first floor and she picked up on the

815
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:35,019
dark energy in the front bedroom she was

816
00:39:40,349 --> 00:39:38,410
100% correct so she had some ability and

817
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,359
I think he's gifted person has a

818
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:42,880
different type of ability but the people

819
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:45,630
that came with her were thrill seekers

820
00:40:00,779 --> 00:39:49,089
and they got their thrilling they ran

821
00:40:02,579 --> 00:40:00,789
the hell out of there yeah I was able to

822
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,589
make the spirits through certain things

823
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:05,200
of will so when I tied the kitchen door

824
00:40:09,930 --> 00:40:08,410
I could make this spirit vibrate that

825
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:09,940
door because you like to open it and I

826
00:40:14,009 --> 00:40:12,640
tied his Chuck and because the string

827
00:40:16,999 --> 00:40:14,019
had a little bit of leeway in if he

828
00:40:21,329 --> 00:40:17,009
could vibrate it I could do that it will

829
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:21,339
but the phone off the hook he would

830
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:23,890
happen none of us ever saw it happen

831
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:28,180
it would just be optimal and until his

832
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:31,089
first group came in and the last thing

833
00:40:33,779 --> 00:40:32,440
they did is they were leaving out the

834
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:33,789
door with the phone came off the

835
00:40:43,890 --> 00:40:38,710
receiver it was a princess phone so it

836
00:40:45,539 --> 00:40:43,900
just flopped over I don't know I don't

837
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:45,549
know if I measured the block but I had

838
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:48,130
to laugh because the one fellow looked

839
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:51,450
like he might be had on mass and yeah uh

840
00:41:01,000 --> 00:40:55,310
he had a red wig it was askew

841
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:01,010
and he got scared you know I was

842
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:02,870
thinking after they left I was angry I

843
00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:05,450
was always angry so I told Corey I said

844
00:41:09,130 --> 00:41:06,980
those bla bla bla bla bla nice what the

845
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:09,140
hell do you do not I'm ghost if he's so

846
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:14,720
afraid within a second the second group

847
00:41:23,650 --> 00:41:19,010
of people were they were for real and

848
00:41:29,380 --> 00:41:23,660
they were they gave me the belief in

849
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,390
that gift they sent in town Valentine an

850
00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:32,240
author he's written some novels he

851
00:41:36,910 --> 00:41:34,940
writes the medical books I've tried to

852
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:36,920
reach him I can't find him but he came

853
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:39,680
in to investigate Marsh and I had us

854
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:43,310
fill out like almost a form of our

855
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:44,810
personal habits I mean he checked

856
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:47,090
everything in the house I checked our

857
00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:49,010
refrigerators did he find any beer

858
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,000
you know I should I never did drink

859
00:41:59,710 --> 00:41:55,520
people are upset when they come to my

860
00:42:04,860 --> 00:41:59,720
house but there's no beer here but they

861
00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:04,870
did everything that he was she was

862
00:42:10,510 --> 00:42:07,400
paving the way for Joe delouise so we

863
00:42:14,860 --> 00:42:10,520
had national prominence at the time Joe

864
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:14,870
had gotten some press because he helped

865
00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:19,400
find Tex Watson one of the Manson

866
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:23,620
killers so he was able to locate him and

867
00:42:28,270 --> 00:42:25,670
that was like a big deal then he

868
00:42:29,860 --> 00:42:28,280
predicted some bridge collapse so in

869
00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:29,870
town Valentine that they did not want to

870
00:42:37,660 --> 00:42:35,900
send him in to be fooled you know so

871
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:37,670
they made sure they examine the houses

872
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:39,890
and when Jodie Louise came in he brought

873
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:43,180
his protege with him a woman and she

874
00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:44,930
just blew me away

875
00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:49,400
I still remember they they came in and I

876
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:50,660
was a little skeptical because of the

877
00:42:57,490 --> 00:42:55,150
last group and he looked kind of evil

878
00:43:00,670 --> 00:42:57,500
because he pictures of them he had a

879
00:43:04,090 --> 00:43:00,680
black booty and black area all wear all

880
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:04,100
black and the girl with him was wearing

881
00:43:09,579 --> 00:43:06,890
black and she also had very very

882
00:43:12,549 --> 00:43:09,589
caught her here and they weren't smiling

883
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,559
or anything so I was like they can look

884
00:43:19,890 --> 00:43:15,680
spooky to me plan to go upstairs and

885
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:19,900
then Joe he looks in the dining room

886
00:43:24,279 --> 00:43:22,249
that's right we entered our apartment in

887
00:43:27,819 --> 00:43:24,289
the middle there's no furniture there

888
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:27,829
and he looks at me and he says you don't

889
00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:32,089
Roos use this room very much and I mean

890
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:35,630
I'm thinking in my head oh uh you know

891
00:43:39,849 --> 00:43:37,160
there's nothing there to use it's empty

892
00:43:42,789 --> 00:43:39,859
room then he looked over he saw her

893
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:42,799
bedroom and there was only two adults to

894
00:43:47,319 --> 00:43:45,529
the infant but he saw the bedroom and

895
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:47,329
there was no door on it on that bedroom

896
00:43:51,689 --> 00:43:49,430
we put a vinyl door folding doors

897
00:43:54,269 --> 00:43:51,699
earlier but he said that's your bedroom

898
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:54,279
like if he was telling me something and

899
00:43:58,839 --> 00:43:56,630
I'm thinking to myself this is not gonna

900
00:44:05,400 --> 00:43:58,849
end well you know and I've got an

901
00:44:09,249 --> 00:44:08,380
Marshall Marshall do Marshall do it is

902
00:44:13,059 --> 00:44:09,259
boiling over

903
00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:13,069
no problem raise the eyebrow raised and

904
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:14,900
about that time the woman with the grab

905
00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:15,529
my hand

906
00:44:23,439 --> 00:44:18,920
literally very gently and she looked at

907
00:44:26,709 --> 00:44:23,449
me and the items he said bullets and I

908
00:44:29,049 --> 00:44:26,719
said what she said bullets and only I

909
00:44:29,799 --> 00:44:29,059
knew what that meant because in cleaning

910
00:44:33,969 --> 00:44:29,809
out the basement

911
00:44:36,099 --> 00:44:33,979
I found this jar with bullets in it yeah

912
00:44:38,499 --> 00:44:36,109
I wouldn't in those years Chicago burned

913
00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:38,509
its garbage actually not too far from

914
00:44:42,910 --> 00:44:40,670
where we're living so I wouldn't throw

915
00:44:45,489 --> 00:44:42,920
it out because I figured they don't go

916
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:45,499
often maybe heard of somebody so I took

917
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:47,390
the jar I put it up in the rafters so

918
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:50,690
when she said bullets a second time I

919
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:53,660
said where and she sent her in the

920
00:45:01,809 --> 00:44:58,249
basement in the rafter oh my gosh there

921
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:01,819
was no possible way no possible way she

922
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:04,190
could know the other and at that point

923
00:45:09,759 --> 00:45:06,170
she had my attention they had people

924
00:45:14,229 --> 00:45:09,769
that my attention and Jill god bless him

925
00:45:16,089 --> 00:45:14,239
I mean he didn't deal with me too too

926
00:45:17,009 --> 00:45:16,099
long before he started the taper my

927
00:45:20,289 --> 00:45:17,019
behavior

928
00:45:22,449 --> 00:45:20,299
you know because so he heard the cursor

929
00:45:24,789 --> 00:45:22,459
I named the one but that was the outlet

930
00:45:27,189 --> 00:45:24,799
for all my anger so I start swearing a

931
00:45:30,009 --> 00:45:27,199
bit and Joe said don't do that

932
00:45:32,589 --> 00:45:30,019
you know they sit with prayer or

933
00:45:36,549 --> 00:45:32,599
compassion and he said these are lost

934
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:36,559
souls he changed my whole attitude got

935
00:45:42,219 --> 00:45:40,130
me back to praying and which is all you

936
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:42,229
can do really

937
00:45:47,849 --> 00:45:44,689
you can't was much like I said earlier

938
00:45:49,989 --> 00:45:47,859
you don't want to change the routine you

939
00:45:51,879 --> 00:45:49,999
you know when I tied the kitchen door

940
00:45:55,809 --> 00:45:51,889
shut I invited it to do something else

941
00:45:57,399 --> 00:45:55,819
which is what it did and if it if you

942
00:46:01,179 --> 00:45:57,409
have activity in your house that doesn't

943
00:46:02,979 --> 00:46:01,189
frighten you leave it along just leave

944
00:46:05,709 --> 00:46:02,989
it alone just protect your bedroom like

945
00:46:08,349 --> 00:46:05,719
I said earlier keep your bedroom your

946
00:46:10,629 --> 00:46:08,359
sanctuary that's good advice

947
00:46:13,569 --> 00:46:10,639
now here's a question from zeldathon

948
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:13,579
who's asking did anyone die as a result

949
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:17,630
of this haunting no one died as a result

950
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:24,130
of no I mean my sister's life was ruined

951
00:46:30,279 --> 00:46:26,689
it's much like I said earlier why they

952
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:30,289
got on the break right that's an office

953
00:46:34,989 --> 00:46:32,689
sad story with your sister I mean and my

954
00:46:36,969 --> 00:46:34,999
heart just breaks hearing this it's I

955
00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:36,979
know it's written about in your first

956
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:39,139
book and it's also in the paranormal

957
00:46:44,769 --> 00:46:42,169
witness television show but it is it is

958
00:46:46,749 --> 00:46:44,779
just devastating to know that your

959
00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:46,759
sister's life was ruined this way by

960
00:46:53,229 --> 00:46:49,399
this haunting well that's what demons do

961
00:46:55,959 --> 00:46:53,239
they they're they're gonna enter you

962
00:46:57,729 --> 00:46:55,969
they're not gonna ever surface and

963
00:46:59,889 --> 00:46:57,739
they're not gonna walk out of the free

964
00:47:02,439 --> 00:46:59,899
will they're gonna ride you into hell

965
00:47:05,289 --> 00:47:02,449
now if it takes 40 years they don't care

966
00:47:08,439 --> 00:47:05,299
they have no time time is sort of our

967
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:08,449
constructor they have no time and I mean

968
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:10,609
it aggravates me I've got webisodes if

969
00:47:16,749 --> 00:47:13,880
you go to a www-what Becker com I've got

970
00:47:18,969 --> 00:47:16,759
a webisode on demons and I know a little

971
00:47:23,289 --> 00:47:18,979
bit about I've seen a real exorcism and

972
00:47:25,509 --> 00:47:23,299
I've known to Exorcist personally demons

973
00:47:27,669 --> 00:47:25,519
don't reveal themselves so it looks like

974
00:47:30,399 --> 00:47:27,679
I said if a person says I need an

975
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:30,409
exorcism they really need a psychologist

976
00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:30,960
of course like

977
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:33,150
at rest because the team is never going

978
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,330
to offer their own exorcism the person

979
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:39,119
themselves is not going to allow you I

980
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,510
mean I should really ask that Exorcist

981
00:47:46,609 --> 00:47:44,880
today how they deal with it because if

982
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:46,619
you're the true Exorcist you want to

983
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:49,859
know that your subject first off is not

984
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:53,220
mentally ill second off there's there's

985
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:55,619
two kinds of 20 there's 2,000

986
00:48:00,620 --> 00:47:57,690
medications that can affect a person's

987
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:00,630
personality write down the simple blood

988
00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:03,450
pressure medications so you've got to

989
00:48:09,620 --> 00:48:05,670
kind of figure out are they off what's

990
00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:09,630
their medication and then you kind of

991
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:11,070
have to get a feel for whether the

992
00:48:14,650 --> 00:48:12,210
person is lying or not

993
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:14,660
whether they're using another substance

994
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:18,800
that they don't want to admit to and I

995
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,230
don't know how they come about it was an

996
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:24,480
exorcism because the one I saw it was a

997
00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:28,470
man and they think I'm strapped down you

998
00:48:32,570 --> 00:48:31,830
can't do that today and that demons

999
00:48:35,950 --> 00:48:32,580
gonna hurt you

1000
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:35,960
and but you can't take a person in and

1001
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:39,599
strap them down you can go to jail for

1002
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:40,200
them

1003
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:42,300
so I don't know how it just is

1004
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:44,250
definitely handling today in this day

1005
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:47,220
and age you know it's interesting there

1006
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:50,339
is a there's an a new psychiatry but

1007
00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:52,170
there's a psychiatrist that's coming out

1008
00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:55,830
as an exorcist - same as dr. Gallagher

1009
00:48:58,880 --> 00:48:57,030
we're hoping to get him on the show to

1010
00:49:00,320 --> 00:48:58,890
talk about these things and he says that

1011
00:49:02,270 --> 00:49:00,330
more and more psychiatrists and

1012
00:49:07,579 --> 00:49:02,280
psychologists are starting to understand

1013
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:07,589
that these entities are real and they do

1014
00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:10,410
affect people and it's fascinating you

1015
00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:12,750
know because I know way back when all of

1016
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:16,700
this started for you that was not how

1017
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:18,750
professionals in the mental health field

1018
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:20,940
were thinking but actually now that's

1019
00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:23,220
how they're thinking so it'll be

1020
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:25,320
interesting to see how they handle these

1021
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:27,780
types of situations with people who may

1022
00:49:32,060 --> 00:49:29,970
be possessed or may be influenced

1023
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:32,070
because it sounds like your sister was

1024
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:35,940
influenced in a very negative way part

1025
00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:38,010
of it was brought on by her use of Ouija

1026
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:43,950
boards in the house yeah and that's

1027
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,640
another thing

1028
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,740
I don't advocate at all is that I don't

1029
00:49:50,359 --> 00:49:48,720
think you know the everybody who buys a

1030
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:50,369
Ouija board is going to get possessed

1031
00:49:55,789 --> 00:49:53,750
I haven't dirty people are able to

1032
00:49:57,470 --> 00:49:55,799
achieve that level of being able to

1033
00:50:00,529 --> 00:49:57,480
cross that realm over the door right

1034
00:50:03,769 --> 00:50:00,539
yeah you're right it's much like I say

1035
00:50:07,759 --> 00:50:03,779
when you do open that door there's gonna

1036
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:07,769
be spirits on the other side number one

1037
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:08,760
you're gonna be looking for someone

1038
00:50:13,059 --> 00:50:11,010
specific maybe your uncle maybe your

1039
00:50:17,029 --> 00:50:13,069
aunt maybe your mother maybe powder

1040
00:50:18,799 --> 00:50:17,039
yes fear is gonna lie to you it's going

1041
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:18,809
to tell you whatever the hell you want

1042
00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:20,609
to hear because he wants you to continue

1043
00:50:29,029 --> 00:50:25,950
to play and the analogy I use is that to

1044
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:29,039
understand it if I were at a prison

1045
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:31,710
standing on the prison wall and the yard

1046
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:35,400
were full of prisoners and I took a cell

1047
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:36,750
phone and threw it out there and said

1048
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:39,420
whoever gets it can use it who do you

1049
00:50:47,150 --> 00:50:43,319
think would get the cell phone hi my

1050
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:47,160
name is badass guy out there well when

1051
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:50,460
you're when you're begging for somebody

1052
00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:51,930
it comes with a Ouija board who do you

1053
00:50:55,579 --> 00:50:53,180
think is gonna come through there

1054
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:55,589
because you've got weak spirits you've

1055
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,859
got stronger spirits I don't know why I

1056
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,480
did I wish

1057
00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:03,119
investigators with questions and

1058
00:51:08,740 --> 00:51:06,029
compiler because some spirits could be a

1059
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:08,750
share some spirits can't be seen in law

1060
00:51:15,499 --> 00:51:11,250
some spirits can manifest would be an

1061
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:15,509
apparition why you know I don't know why

1062
00:51:19,730 --> 00:51:18,150
but the one thing I do know is coming at

1063
00:51:21,499 --> 00:51:19,740
you from Ouija boards gonna be strongest

1064
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:21,509
fear on the other side and they're gonna

1065
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,089
lie so they're gonna be whoever the hell

1066
00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:26,579
you ask them to be because they want you

1067
00:51:32,509 --> 00:51:29,640
to keep playing mm-hmm and I know a

1068
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:32,519
fella who's a his story will not end

1069
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:33,200
well

1070
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:35,849
he's dicted to the Ouija board he he's a

1071
00:51:41,029 --> 00:51:38,819
trucker keeps in his truck oh mama oh

1072
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:41,039
yeah he believes he's talking to his

1073
00:51:50,289 --> 00:51:46,140
soulmate and I don't know where it's

1074
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:50,299
gonna end but it will not end well and I

1075
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:53,430
stay away from those things and he I

1076
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:54,690
don't even I wouldn't even like the

1077
00:52:01,040 --> 00:51:58,050
ghost boxes because what you're doing is

1078
00:52:06,830 --> 00:52:01,050
Ouija board arrested these things to

1079
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:06,840
come over I think go ahead I'm sorry

1080
00:52:10,610 --> 00:52:09,030
you're raising some nuts okay you're

1081
00:52:12,620 --> 00:52:10,620
raising some really good points about

1082
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:12,630
what's gonna come through is the biggest

1083
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:13,890
baddest thing the one with the most

1084
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:16,380
energy or focus and then while you're

1085
00:52:20,570 --> 00:52:17,970
waiting on one side of the Ouija board

1086
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:20,580
do you have enough we'll focus and

1087
00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:23,010
understanding to handle what's coming

1088
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:23,550
through

1089
00:52:29,090 --> 00:52:26,640
most people don't mm-hm so you know I

1090
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:29,100
think you issue a warning with with good

1091
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:31,500
common sense here and we also have told

1092
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:35,310
people the same thing don't go shaking a

1093
00:52:40,010 --> 00:52:37,250
stick at a snake it's not a good idea

1094
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:40,020
and if you don't you don't have training

1095
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:41,520
you don't know what you're doing and

1096
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:43,170
you're inviting these things into your

1097
00:52:49,310 --> 00:52:46,410
home you could end up in a very bad

1098
00:52:51,050 --> 00:52:49,320
situation and certainly you didn't

1099
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,060
invite these things in they were just

1100
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:54,000
there when you got there and then they

1101
00:52:59,240 --> 00:52:56,010
gradually made themselves known to you

1102
00:53:02,600 --> 00:52:59,250
and your wife and your tenants that they

1103
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:02,610
were the ones in charge more or less in

1104
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:04,470
your house now how long did you live

1105
00:53:11,540 --> 00:53:09,450
there in that house it was one year 18

1106
00:53:13,610 --> 00:53:11,550
months in 27 hours I think there's some

1107
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:13,620
like that but it probably felt like a

1108
00:53:18,350 --> 00:53:15,210
hundred years well we're gonna have to

1109
00:53:19,940 --> 00:53:18,360
take another short break and everybody

1110
00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:19,950
keep writing your questions into the

1111
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:23,940
chat room irn chat comm ir in chat comm

1112
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:27,180
we will ask ed your questions on your

1113
00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:29,730
behalf is a great great story there's so

1114
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:31,710
much more to tell so stay tuned

1115
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:32,970
everybody you are listening to

1116
00:53:37,310 --> 00:53:35,310
Supernatural girls radio we'll be right

1117
00:53:39,350 --> 00:53:37,320
back welcome back everyone to

1118
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,360
supernatural Girls radio I'm your host

1119
00:53:45,110 --> 00:53:42,240
Patricia Baker here with my co-host PK

1120
00:53:47,330 --> 00:53:45,120
and you can find PK at Patricia Kirkman

1121
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:47,340
comm case you want to have your numbers

1122
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,310
checked out see what's coming up for you

1123
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:53,040
in the coming year Patricia Kirkman comm

1124
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:56,010
you can reach her there and we have an

1125
00:53:59,720 --> 00:53:58,440
incredible guest tonight and what did

1126
00:54:01,220 --> 00:53:59,730
you want to say few games I was just

1127
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:01,230
gonna say but don't forget to let them

1128
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:04,170
know what you do oh yes if you want any

1129
00:54:10,070 --> 00:54:06,930
please swim analysis tarot card readings

1130
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:10,080
I'm the one you want to call or write to

1131
00:54:12,289 --> 00:54:10,890
and I'll be

1132
00:54:15,019 --> 00:54:12,299
happy to schedule an appointment with

1133
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:15,029
you thanks for reminding me PK and our

1134
00:54:20,269 --> 00:54:17,700
guest tonight is the incredible edy

1135
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:20,279
Becker who survived a very scary

1136
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:23,849
haunting in Chicago I would not want to

1137
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:26,460
have been in his shoes right definitely

1138
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,930
not oh my god okay well gotta get a ton

1139
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:33,180
of questions for you ad from the chat

1140
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:34,859
room and again I want to urge everybody

1141
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:39,119
please go ahead and buy as very office

1142
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:42,450
yes true hunting and true hunting too

1143
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,760
they are available on Amazon and I'm

1144
00:54:49,339 --> 00:54:46,440
sure in books there you go it's gonna

1145
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:49,349
hold up there they are very well-written

1146
00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:51,510
they will they you won't be able to put

1147
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,460
them down I guarantee you once you start

1148
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:54,960
reading them you'll be reading them

1149
00:54:59,809 --> 00:54:57,450
until they're done excellent books and

1150
00:55:03,289 --> 00:54:59,819
actually somebody was asking how long

1151
00:55:04,759 --> 00:55:03,299
did it take you to write your book it

1152
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:04,769
didn't actually take me that long

1153
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:08,609
because the book is so originally was a

1154
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:12,240
diary okay so I wondered as a

1155
00:55:18,259 --> 00:55:14,460
recollection about that we went through

1156
00:55:19,999 --> 00:55:18,269
and it was full family to read but

1157
00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:20,009
family that took hold and maybe read in

1158
00:55:25,749 --> 00:55:23,190
the future grandchildren whatever and it

1159
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:25,759
was my my youngest daughter when

1160
00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:29,670
electronic books came out she had taken

1161
00:55:33,769 --> 00:55:31,740
my manuscript which was in a folder and

1162
00:55:35,029 --> 00:55:33,779
she'd pass it around to some of her

1163
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,039
friends and things like that and they

1164
00:55:41,539 --> 00:55:37,920
all said the same thing you know making

1165
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:41,549
a book and she said she wanted to do and

1166
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:45,450
so I gave her a flash drive and I gave

1167
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:48,710
her this the cover of this is actually

1168
00:55:53,539 --> 00:55:51,750
my my cup it was supposed to be a

1169
00:55:56,059 --> 00:55:53,549
mock-up and I wanted then it was done

1170
00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:56,069
professionally she took the flash drive

1171
00:56:02,870 --> 00:55:58,859
and I had it written by Katherine Dignan

1172
00:56:05,779 --> 00:56:02,880
as told to by Edwin Becker I didn't want

1173
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,789
any part of her at all but my youngest

1174
00:56:09,609 --> 00:56:08,400
son like my oldest doesn't listen to me

1175
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:09,619
at all

1176
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:12,930
so she took the flash drive took the

1177
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:14,690
flashlight and she has published it and

1178
00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:19,200
I was well I was angry especially when I

1179
00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:21,180
saw that they need to change fix the

1180
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,630
cover and but then I got a call

1181
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:26,880
friend of mine who said here book is

1182
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:36,330
number one in new releases but I had to

1183
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:38,040
take it and I had to change it into a

1184
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:40,770
book format and I made some screw-ups in

1185
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:44,510
there I mean once my family read it I

1186
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,470
mentioned there that my aunt hello with

1187
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:48,720
my favorite aunt and then kind of put

1188
00:56:56,350 --> 00:56:53,160
off with my other aunts there that was

1189
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:56,360
in my diary but it wasn't meant to be it

1190
00:57:03,050 --> 00:57:00,900
honestly get you in trouble okay so

1191
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:03,060
here's a question for you add from the

1192
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:06,390
chat room do you have any continuing

1193
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:09,090
nightmares from this experience this is

1194
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:15,660
from the walking dead nun and and here's

1195
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:17,550
a question from Camille do you feel

1196
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:22,170
anything followed you home that's

1197
00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:26,570
arguable because I'd like to say no but

1198
00:57:32,420 --> 00:57:29,990
I've had people in my life tell me yes

1199
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:32,430
because I there's things that have

1200
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:35,070
happened to me that I just had an

1201
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,530
unusual I'd like to say you know I try

1202
00:57:47,330 --> 00:57:43,200
not to think about it I don't you know

1203
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:47,340
it's looks like people spend their life

1204
00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:48,810
some people I know spend their legend

1205
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:50,670
thinking about demons and demonology and

1206
00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:54,530
all that crap I think about angels I

1207
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:57,480
pray to God I think about angels I don't

1208
00:58:03,280 --> 00:57:58,770
want to see the apparition I want to see

1209
00:58:05,410 --> 00:58:03,290
an angel and my mind is that everything

1210
00:58:09,590 --> 00:58:05,420
stays in a good place

1211
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:09,600
wonderful

1212
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:11,700
yes well after all you've been through

1213
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:13,170
my goodness

1214
00:58:20,570 --> 00:58:17,160
now there's just so much to this story

1215
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:20,580
so many things have happened and again I

1216
00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:22,170
want to urge everybody to buy your book

1217
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:23,550
so that they can read every detail of

1218
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:26,450
the story because it is remarkable and

1219
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:29,130
also to take a look at paranormal

1220
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:33,050
witness is called the tenants is the

1221
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:35,430
segment that they did for their show is

1222
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:38,130
an excellent for trail

1223
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:40,859
your story very well done I love

1224
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,210
paranormal witness it's one of my

1225
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:43,920
favorite shows and I'm glad they picked

1226
00:58:52,339 --> 00:58:48,329
up on your story now here's a question

1227
00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:52,349
about do you think that there's an

1228
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:55,619
imprint of these spirits in the actual

1229
00:59:00,799 --> 00:58:58,680
building itself kind of a living imprint

1230
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:00,809
in the bricks and the mortar of this

1231
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:03,839
building no I really don't believe in

1232
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:08,700
that or residual stuff I think I mean

1233
00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:10,529
one of the questions we've got in this

1234
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:14,460
country 5000 investigation groups if you

1235
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,650
go to paranormal Art Society zinc you'll

1236
00:59:20,660 --> 00:59:18,000
see there's like three thousand

1237
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:20,670
registered and one of the things I wrote

1238
00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:23,910
William Wilkins the president as I said

1239
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:25,980
if you can only get like 500 or so

1240
00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:30,420
groups to participate and answer given

1241
00:59:35,180 --> 00:59:33,150
the same questionnaire exactly the same

1242
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:35,190
questionnaire so on record what time of

1243
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:36,359
day what they're doing what the

1244
00:59:42,049 --> 00:59:39,450
environment was but then always ask the

1245
00:59:44,329 --> 00:59:42,059
same questions because one of the things

1246
00:59:46,009 --> 00:59:44,339
that tease me off of a bid is no one

1247
00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:46,019
knows more about paranormal than I did

1248
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:49,799
45 years ago so you know is it hot on

1249
00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:52,410
the other side or the cold is it darker

1250
01:00:00,589 --> 00:59:56,460
is it light can they communicate with

1251
01:00:04,009 --> 01:00:00,599
each other do they have time there's

1252
01:00:06,140 --> 01:00:04,019
questions to be answered that could very

1253
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:06,150
well be answered but no one's asking

1254
01:00:10,009 --> 01:00:07,380
those questions they're asking other

1255
01:00:12,589 --> 01:00:10,019
kinds of questions and I don't believe

1256
01:00:18,170 --> 01:00:12,599
that though I'm not sure but I think

1257
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:18,180
spirits are bound by something you know

1258
01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:20,130
that they're bound because you know much

1259
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:23,180
like that building was built in 1892

1260
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:25,529
only family members lived there Marsha

1261
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:26,940
and I were the first one to walk in

1262
01:00:34,009 --> 01:00:30,150
there they were not family so I mean

1263
01:00:37,249 --> 01:00:34,019
even though I never saw many of the

1264
01:00:38,749 --> 01:00:37,259
ghosts that were there you make an

1265
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:38,759
assumption that yeah it's probably the

1266
01:00:44,269 --> 01:00:40,980
family in there too bounded it location

1267
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:44,279
I kind of feel that that's what keeps a

1268
01:00:49,930 --> 01:00:47,160
lot of people here is they're attached

1269
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:49,940
to something as far more important

1270
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:53,599
then you'd obviously think you know

1271
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,369
their tester right I don't know I don't

1272
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,760
believe in haunted objects much because

1273
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,079
Marsha and I owned a collectible Stuart

1274
01:01:05,620 --> 01:01:02,960
clever Missouri and I probably handle

1275
01:01:08,740 --> 01:01:05,630
the hundred thousand items pocket

1276
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:08,750
watches from the 1800s and inscribed

1277
01:01:15,549 --> 01:01:12,319
rings and things like that and we take

1278
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,559
come across a couple items out of you

1279
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:17,839
know a hundred thousand maybe but

1280
01:01:23,289 --> 01:01:20,230
they're not it's not common to find that

1281
01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:23,299
in a hoarding item and there's no such

1282
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:25,630
thing as on it doubts denied accounts a

1283
01:01:32,109 --> 01:01:30,530
demon needs a vessel it needs a soul if

1284
01:01:35,470 --> 01:01:32,119
you if it doesn't have a soul to take

1285
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:35,480
whatever the item is it's worthless it's

1286
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:38,210
worthless in that demon so you know when

1287
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:40,010
I hear about haunted trains or haunted

1288
01:01:46,210 --> 01:01:42,049
dolls or ordering whatever you know

1289
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:46,220
ghosts in a jar it's like no you it's

1290
01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:49,010
that to me that's a corruption the TV

1291
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,369
and movies well you said haunted item in

1292
01:02:00,400 --> 01:01:56,960
your talking maybe a piece of jewelry

1293
01:02:02,410 --> 01:02:00,410
that someone may have the item that they

1294
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:02,420
kept close to them that may have picked

1295
01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:06,250
up the negativity of the individual yeah

1296
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:08,900
it don't have to be negative it may be

1297
01:02:13,210 --> 01:02:10,730
just jealousy or horror

1298
01:02:15,490 --> 01:02:13,220
okay you know I bought Marsha this is a

1299
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:15,500
true story I bought Marsha the one item

1300
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:19,520
that you know thousands of worship she

1301
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:23,599
collected antique wedding bands and over

1302
01:02:27,250 --> 01:02:25,760
the years I've run somewhat unusual or

1303
01:02:29,799 --> 01:02:27,260
something nice I'd buy it for him

1304
01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:29,809
so I water earlier I arranged this 18

1305
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:32,150
karat gold it happened to be her size

1306
01:02:39,279 --> 01:02:36,410
and it was tired all the way around it

1307
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:39,289
was gorgeous it was a rose gold so I

1308
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:41,450
bought it for and I gave it to her and

1309
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:44,329
she loved it she flirted on and the next

1310
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:45,770
morning she got up and she had the ring

1311
01:02:49,809 --> 01:02:48,319
and she put on the kitchen table and I

1312
01:02:52,450 --> 01:02:49,819
said what's the matter she said look

1313
01:02:56,289 --> 01:02:52,460
what it did to my finger well to me it

1314
01:02:58,740 --> 01:02:56,299
looked like you know at the kind of mark

1315
01:03:01,779 --> 01:02:58,750
an on gold light of wonder would make oh

1316
01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:01,789
sorry so I said this 18 care I know as

1317
01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:03,470
if you care

1318
01:03:07,690 --> 01:03:05,480
she said you know I I should put on your

1319
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:07,700
other finger and your other hand so she

1320
01:03:11,230 --> 01:03:10,130
did that same thing and I said I said

1321
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:11,240
what are you feeling it she said it

1322
01:03:16,270 --> 01:03:11,930
burns

1323
01:03:18,550 --> 01:03:16,280
Oh My heavens sakes so my daughter

1324
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:18,560
wanted it my oldest daughter nice I said

1325
01:03:24,339 --> 01:03:20,930
no and I took it to a coin dealer and

1326
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:24,349
what kind of in downtown and he didn't

1327
01:03:28,359 --> 01:03:26,090
deal in jewelry at all but he did dealer

1328
01:03:30,070 --> 01:03:28,369
than what's called melt so he saw

1329
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:30,080
something he was gonna melt he'd give me

1330
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:32,510
the melting nice I made him promise me

1331
01:03:39,010 --> 01:03:36,410
he was going to melt that ring that's

1332
01:03:42,849 --> 01:03:39,020
how we got rid of it

1333
01:03:43,870 --> 01:03:42,859
but people say well it's one of the nest

1334
01:03:46,810 --> 01:03:43,880
was gonna hurt you

1335
01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:46,820
it may just have been a jealousy it may

1336
01:03:51,490 --> 01:03:48,710
be that the new whatever was attached to

1337
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:51,500
it didn't want anyone else to come in or

1338
01:03:58,839 --> 01:03:55,310
at all yeah you can't never explain it

1339
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:58,849
you know I didn't watch paranormal is

1340
01:04:05,020 --> 01:04:01,760
clear that clear answers we know the

1341
01:04:08,650 --> 01:04:05,030
answers mm-hmm well here's a question

1342
01:04:11,020 --> 01:04:08,660
for you again from the walking dead

1343
01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:11,030
excuse me I'm gonna go to Gorgan now

1344
01:04:15,250 --> 01:04:13,430
what did the neighbors think about all

1345
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:15,260
the commotion and the cameras around the

1346
01:04:25,630 --> 01:04:22,970
house they're curious but it's like I

1347
01:04:29,020 --> 01:04:25,640
tell people did you know some people had

1348
01:04:31,770 --> 01:04:29,030
between the SD letters except I when I

1349
01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:31,780
gave it away to my real estate agent I

1350
01:04:36,790 --> 01:04:34,700
you know I did tell him it was haunted

1351
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:36,800
but there were no disclosures in those

1352
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:39,770
years I didn't have to tell mm-hmm if I

1353
01:04:43,930 --> 01:04:41,450
did write haunted house on the front of

1354
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,940
it you know the city probably would

1355
01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:45,920
sitting I would have arrested me give me

1356
01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:56,890
the neighbors saw what was going on but

1357
01:05:03,570 --> 01:04:58,970
I probably had one thought it was a

1358
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:03,580
domestic disturbance or something I

1359
01:05:09,820 --> 01:05:06,400
really don't know what they thought

1360
01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:09,830
today I do know that I've talked to two

1361
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:11,830
different people one is a woman in Miami

1362
01:05:16,350 --> 01:05:14,690
she owned a house very similar to mine

1363
01:05:18,900 --> 01:05:16,360
on the same block

1364
01:05:20,550 --> 01:05:18,910
so she wrote me to tell me about the

1365
01:05:25,110 --> 01:05:20,560
occupation of her house she had goes

1366
01:05:27,210 --> 01:05:25,120
there I don't know and you know I came

1367
01:05:29,310 --> 01:05:27,220
to realize I got a letter from another

1368
01:05:32,190 --> 01:05:29,320
person is still my friend we keep in

1369
01:05:36,570 --> 01:05:32,200
touch she lives two blocks over she also

1370
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:36,580
has ghosts what I thought about it it's

1371
01:05:40,290 --> 01:05:39,160
like when you're you know whether you're

1372
01:05:44,070 --> 01:05:40,300
in Brooklyn or whether you're in

1373
01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:44,080
Baltimore Chicago or New York if you've

1374
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:46,140
got buildings that are 100 years old

1375
01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:49,270
where they had funerals in the front of

1376
01:05:56,370 --> 01:05:54,190
wakes mm-hmm I mean number one if it's a

1377
01:05:59,340 --> 01:05:56,380
hundred years old do you think that no

1378
01:06:02,250 --> 01:05:59,350
one ever died there so you kind of know

1379
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:02,260
the deaths were there whether they're

1380
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:05,050
active or not you know it depends on the

1381
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:09,490
situation it would surprise me if any of

1382
01:06:16,020 --> 01:06:12,070
the buildings that are in that age group

1383
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:16,030
are not wanted in some way right it

1384
01:06:24,450 --> 01:06:22,540
really surprised me I'm sorry here's a

1385
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:24,460
question from Big Bird and which

1386
01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:26,110
addresses something we were talking

1387
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:29,560
about off the air does do you think the

1388
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:32,530
Ouija board played a big part in these

1389
01:06:46,170 --> 01:06:43,450
happenings escalating activity because

1390
01:06:50,940 --> 01:06:46,180
you said that you found an old Warren

1391
01:06:53,130 --> 01:06:50,950
Beatty board right right so somebody had

1392
01:06:54,690 --> 01:06:53,140
it in the house before you moved in and

1393
01:06:55,350 --> 01:06:54,700
it looked like they had been using it

1394
01:06:57,930 --> 01:06:55,360
quite a bit

1395
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:57,940
right right right at the time it meant

1396
01:07:03,620 --> 01:07:00,160
nothing to me but it wasn't till after

1397
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:03,630
it was over and I had a good education I

1398
01:07:09,540 --> 01:07:06,370
realized that we chief Ward was born I

1399
01:07:12,210 --> 01:07:09,550
mean was worn out so did they catch or

1400
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:12,220
something I don't know but it's very

1401
01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:13,990
well could be that the whole thing was a

1402
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:17,950
bunch of conjured spirits and the during

1403
01:07:23,490 --> 01:07:20,410
any louder there is a spirit that I know

1404
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:23,500
exists because I've seen it I don't

1405
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:26,880
believe it's human so it's a dark mass

1406
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:29,770
and it was forever at best

1407
01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:35,110
and I've seen it twice and I don't think

1408
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:36,430
maybe there's something that comes out

1409
01:07:41,609 --> 01:07:40,090
of the netherworlds forever

1410
01:07:44,730 --> 01:07:41,619
you know I don't know much about hoodoo

1411
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:44,740
or guru or anything like that but I I

1412
01:07:49,609 --> 01:07:46,450
think there's something else besides

1413
01:07:53,310 --> 01:07:49,619
human spirits it also walks the earth oh

1414
01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:53,320
yeah yeah we would agree with that and

1415
01:07:57,540 --> 01:07:55,510
here's a question from Shin dark again

1416
01:08:01,040 --> 01:07:57,550
it wants to know are we allowed to take

1417
01:08:05,130 --> 01:08:01,050
a look inside this house is it open I

1418
01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:05,140
never do the address stop so I the

1419
01:08:08,940 --> 01:08:06,940
history of it has been it's been sold

1420
01:08:12,930 --> 01:08:08,950
many times it's been in foreclosure

1421
01:08:14,850 --> 01:08:12,940
twice I had a letter today actually

1422
01:08:16,440 --> 01:08:14,860
asked me for the atmos and was more

1423
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:16,450
wound in South Africa so I'm wondering

1424
01:08:28,519 --> 01:08:18,370
what the hell she wants the evidence in

1425
01:08:33,900 --> 01:08:31,320
people will come after me and disc

1426
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:33,910
jockeys and attorneys and they all want

1427
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:37,330
to know and my feeling is I hope the

1428
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:40,210
house is quenched if it is cleansed the

1429
01:08:46,499 --> 01:08:43,690
people deserve peace but if it isn't

1430
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:46,509
cleansed the people deserve peace they

1431
01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:48,370
don't need to have curiosity seekers on

1432
01:08:54,660 --> 01:08:52,060
again and you know it's one of these

1433
01:08:57,809 --> 01:08:54,670
things that I love investigators who are

1434
01:08:59,340 --> 01:08:57,819
human oriented yeah you know maybe

1435
01:09:02,190 --> 01:08:59,350
they'll diagnose the problem and then

1436
01:09:04,710 --> 01:09:02,200
help the person get help in fixing that

1437
01:09:06,329 --> 01:09:04,720
problem but a lot of unfortunately the

1438
01:09:10,019 --> 01:09:06,339
create a percentage of investigators

1439
01:09:13,050 --> 01:09:10,029
have thrill-seekers right and you know

1440
01:09:15,300 --> 01:09:13,060
like I would want to send a panel C

1441
01:09:17,190 --> 01:09:15,310
accrues to these people I mean I know

1442
01:09:18,510 --> 01:09:17,200
what I want to do if I loved these

1443
01:09:20,660 --> 01:09:18,520
investigation what came to the door

1444
01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:20,670
mm-hmm

1445
01:09:26,430 --> 01:09:25,180
seven spirit everything else I was

1446
01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:26,440
wondering since you're talking about

1447
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:28,630
three different areas within a couple

1448
01:09:34,019 --> 01:09:32,040
blocks of one another if how far back

1449
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:34,029
possibly something may have happened

1450
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:37,750
within that perimeter possibly on the

1451
01:09:42,559 --> 01:09:40,960
land itself prior to the building hi I'm

1452
01:09:46,819 --> 01:09:42,569
here a medium told me

1453
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:46,829
that she felt strongly that had nothing

1454
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:50,329
to do with with the house itself yeah

1455
01:09:58,729 --> 01:09:57,000
the original landowners yeah I kept

1456
01:10:00,649 --> 01:09:58,739
picking that up as we're talking about

1457
01:10:02,959 --> 01:10:00,659
it when you're talking about the

1458
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:02,969
different areas that it's maybe not the

1459
01:10:07,550 --> 01:10:04,710
houses but it's the land itself

1460
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:07,560
something transpired is there any way of

1461
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:10,110
checking historically what may have

1462
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:11,520
happened on that property

1463
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:23,130
oh the properties I don't know I don't

1464
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:28,710
blame you I don't blame you did you get

1465
01:10:32,990 --> 01:10:31,710
them records well I don't have an

1466
01:10:35,899 --> 01:10:33,000
interest in that but the truth of the

1467
01:10:37,729 --> 01:10:35,909
matter is if I wanted to I would have

1468
01:10:39,859 --> 01:10:37,739
had to take time off work and go down to

1469
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:39,869
City Hall I would have had a pair of

1470
01:10:44,839 --> 01:10:42,840
feet I'll fill out an application they

1471
01:10:47,870 --> 01:10:44,849
hit the records there were on microfilm

1472
01:10:50,899 --> 01:10:47,880
or and files so I would leave okay it

1473
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:50,909
maybe did say come back Friday and I'd

1474
01:10:54,979 --> 01:10:52,170
come in Friday and then I would have

1475
01:10:58,580 --> 01:10:54,989
kept the copies and paid for and both

1476
01:11:03,080 --> 01:10:58,590
times taking time off work I was going

1477
01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:03,090
to do that and there's a reason that we

1478
01:11:07,490 --> 01:11:05,219
fall into some of these things the

1479
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:07,500
reason was you weren't supposed to know

1480
01:11:12,830 --> 01:11:10,110
it wasn't sit you've had already been

1481
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:12,840
through your portion of it they happened

1482
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:14,489
to go through that with somebody else

1483
01:11:24,169 --> 01:11:19,260
is that what you needed or wanted yeah I

1484
01:11:27,109 --> 01:11:24,179
was never a curious person I mean though

1485
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:27,119
I saw a psychologist sometimes yet for

1486
01:11:33,109 --> 01:11:30,449
my coping with my Orillia and she said

1487
01:11:36,919 --> 01:11:33,119
she said my usual person she said I can

1488
01:11:38,959 --> 01:11:36,929
shut the door and not open it because I

1489
01:11:40,819 --> 01:11:38,969
had she started to ask me about my

1490
01:11:45,140 --> 01:11:40,829
childhood which I agree had a very

1491
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:45,150
abusive childhood violent and I said

1492
01:11:51,229 --> 01:11:46,650
what I can't talk about that

1493
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:51,239
you know it doesn't affect me and in

1494
01:11:54,220 --> 01:11:52,590
talking to me she realized it really

1495
01:11:56,650 --> 01:11:54,230
didn't affect me

1496
01:11:57,940 --> 01:11:56,660
because I kind of believe that and I

1497
01:12:00,490 --> 01:11:57,950
hate when I meet someone who's

1498
01:12:02,170 --> 01:12:00,500
especially up to 40 years old and they

1499
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:02,180
say the reason I did this is because my

1500
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:04,730
father did the act it's like that's bull

1501
01:12:09,610 --> 01:12:07,490
crap you know I mean I fell down once I

1502
01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:09,620
was 78 years old I was my own Mia and

1503
01:12:14,140 --> 01:12:12,710
that's where the chapter started and I

1504
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:14,150
know I can't blame my mother and my

1505
01:12:21,610 --> 01:12:18,080
father for anything so yeah I closed the

1506
01:12:27,340 --> 01:12:21,620
door and unless like I did camel Street

1507
01:12:30,190 --> 01:12:27,350
I other than printing my diary I didn't

1508
01:12:34,030 --> 01:12:30,200
want to be the paranormal so I mean it

1509
01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:34,040
mark if you talk to mark Lewis I went

1510
01:12:39,310 --> 01:12:36,580
through three three or four producers I

1511
01:12:43,570 --> 01:12:39,320
met I really paid him off

1512
01:12:46,770 --> 01:12:43,580
because I was absolutely cruel and rude

1513
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:46,780
to them I said no I'm not doing anything

1514
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:50,090
mm-hmm my granddaughter's more all scifi

1515
01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:53,090
they I don't have cable TV or dish

1516
01:12:58,540 --> 01:12:55,900
I don't care about any of these things

1517
01:13:01,480 --> 01:12:58,550
my granddaughter's do and when they

1518
01:13:02,980 --> 01:13:01,490
found out the program they said Papa you

1519
01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:02,990
know we're gonna disown you if you don't

1520
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:10,790
do the program so I did paranormal

1521
01:13:15,730 --> 01:13:12,050
witness and that was the first time I

1522
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:15,740
ever talked publicly and then you know

1523
01:13:20,770 --> 01:13:19,370
I'm so old school after paranormal

1524
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:20,780
witness people came after me and they

1525
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:23,090
said we do already a program well the

1526
01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:24,800
only radio program I ever did was check

1527
01:13:30,340 --> 01:13:27,080
eigen with Jody Louise in the seventies

1528
01:13:32,530 --> 01:13:30,350
he had to go down to a studio and you

1529
01:13:34,750 --> 01:13:32,540
got to sit there sometimes iris had an

1530
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,760
audience and you gotta listen to the

1531
01:13:38,710 --> 01:13:36,080
delay through the speakers which was

1532
01:13:41,290 --> 01:13:38,720
maddening so the first person who called

1533
01:13:43,630 --> 01:13:41,300
me after Kurt awful witness and said do

1534
01:13:46,510 --> 01:13:43,640
you want to you know in program I said

1535
01:13:48,730 --> 01:13:46,520
no in the second one I said no and if

1536
01:13:51,420 --> 01:13:48,740
there when I said no and finally the

1537
01:13:54,130 --> 01:13:51,430
fourth the fourth one she said to me why

1538
01:13:55,140 --> 01:13:54,140
and I said like I don't travel ain't

1539
01:13:58,060 --> 01:13:55,150
going anywhere

1540
01:13:59,800 --> 01:13:58,070
and I said you're in chaplain and she

1541
01:14:05,490 --> 01:13:59,810
said you don't have to travel you do

1542
01:14:11,530 --> 01:14:09,430
that saves everything see when they told

1543
01:14:14,740 --> 01:14:11,540
me that I wouldn't be doing radio today

1544
01:14:20,410 --> 01:14:14,750
cuz I'm the laziest author that you

1545
01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:20,420
deliver me I I won't do pay I won't do

1546
01:14:24,090 --> 01:14:21,710
any appearances that won't do paid

1547
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,100
appearances no one's ever seen me I mean

1548
01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:26,480
some people appear normal run for the

1549
01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:27,950
peer cons and they want to be there I

1550
01:14:34,510 --> 01:14:31,550
don't look here cons I've been asked to

1551
01:14:39,450 --> 01:14:34,520
host places where it's haunted I won't

1552
01:14:45,130 --> 01:14:42,729
understand and you know you are you are

1553
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,140
a rare bird because quite honestly there

1554
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:47,840
are I mean I love your attitude I love

1555
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:49,610
the way that you can say no this isn't

1556
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,400
for me and and just going about your

1557
01:14:57,580 --> 01:14:54,320
business and I think the strength of

1558
01:14:59,470 --> 01:14:57,590
your character and your ability to put

1559
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:59,480
up boundaries to these things is

1560
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:02,480
probably what kept you sane during these

1561
01:15:07,810 --> 01:15:04,970
experiences because let's face it it did

1562
01:15:09,550 --> 01:15:07,820
break your sister and you know again you

1563
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,560
weren't the one fooling around the Ouija

1564
01:15:14,860 --> 01:15:11,840
board but you were at the effect of all

1565
01:15:16,620 --> 01:15:14,870
of these spirit encounters and they were

1566
01:15:19,090 --> 01:15:16,630
not a lot of them were not pleasant and

1567
01:15:21,970 --> 01:15:19,100
we're quite would be quite frightening

1568
01:15:23,650 --> 01:15:21,980
to most normal people but you know you

1569
01:15:27,610 --> 01:15:23,660
were able to come through this and

1570
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:27,620
report it to us and our audience and and

1571
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:29,510
let everybody know this is what happened

1572
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:31,610
and don't fool around with it it's not

1573
01:15:37,690 --> 01:15:34,730
to be messed with and again great advice

1574
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:37,700
great advice for everybody and it's your

1575
01:15:42,910 --> 01:15:39,650
strength of character that allowed this

1576
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:42,920
I think to happen this way well if

1577
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:44,690
anybody reads a book and you enjoy the

1578
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:47,030
book you got a look up Kathryn Hinnant

1579
01:16:04,510 --> 01:15:49,850
and can't they do this when she goes by

1580
01:16:06,610 --> 01:16:04,520
on Facebook because well now you

1581
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:06,620
mentioned that you have received quite a

1582
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:09,050
few emails so how can people reach out

1583
01:16:12,729 --> 01:16:10,910
to you if they have questions how can

1584
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:12,739
they get ahold of you well I'm on

1585
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:15,050
Facebook and you can't miss me because I

1586
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,640
use the true haunting picture is my

1587
01:16:23,370 --> 01:16:18,239
profile picture

1588
01:16:28,770 --> 01:16:23,380
I've got two two websites wwhen pecker

1589
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:28,780
calm and www a true haunting calm true

1590
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:30,960
wanting is a pretty nice website

1591
01:16:37,649 --> 01:16:33,610
it's got reviews it's got the story of

1592
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:37,659
hearing of always it's got the story of

1593
01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:41,280
the whole place and when banggood.com is

1594
01:16:46,970 --> 01:16:44,860
got a little bit on it but I think most

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popular recently are my webisodes

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because I talk honestly and share my

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experience for what it is that's why I

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don't think I don't think there's

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experts you know whenever I mean anybody

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thinks they know what they know it all I

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had one because we're lacking so many

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answers when it comes to paranormal and

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you know we don't know what we're doing

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what's still yet we don't know what

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we're dealing with well that's a very

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good point you know we would all like to

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know more and I think unfortunately

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there's been such a stigma which we see

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now starting to go away which is nice so

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then we make finally I hope get some of

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those answers and but and I want to

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thank you again on behalf of PK and

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myself for coming on the show tonight

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you saved us and you also gave us all

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this great information for audience who

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is definitely mesmerized by your story

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so everybody get the books a true true

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haunting book one true haunting book to

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two will not be disappointed and next

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week we're back to UFOs and aliens we've

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got a great ET story for you coming in

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next week until then we'll see you on